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Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1027	Posted - 2013.01.08 13:23:00 - [1] - Quote WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space. In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with. Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught. And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1027	Posted - 2013.01.08 14:00:00 - [2] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: WH tears are so weird. I expect it from HS, some even LS. Definitely in the entitled 0.0 space. In all honesty, unless you are brain dead, gas mining is not that risky to begin with. Looking at whkills, there were 51 frigates killed so far in January. 31 of them were ventures. They seem to be getting caught. And there will never be a T2 Venture, so there isn't anything wrong with the current setup. No tears here mate, i just like my games to feel balanced. I bet for every one venture killed 10 get away... Please tell be more about your inside knowledge of CCP's development plans. WH space is dangerous enough. So what if finally there is a little ship that makes gas harvesting a little easier. It isn't unbalancing. Like mining it has its own economic balance. If the venture makes gas harvesting so easy, more will do it, which will depress the gas prices, making it less profitable. If you feel need the need to make a whine thread because there is now ONE ship tougher to gank when you hunt in WH's I call a little tear. There were never T2 Mining frigates or cruisers. Those ships were dead ends, just stepping stones to mining barges. The only thing CCP did is replace both with the venture, which is still a stepping stone into barges. Given its performance there is no indication that they have any intention of making a T2 version.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1027	Posted - 2013.01.08 14:49:00 - [3] - Quote Kid Rocks wrote: Ventures aint safe at all. Just fit a sensorbooster and multiple 2 point scrams: http://www.pr08e.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3812 And surely these guys were Noobs, but still... Or afk. Gas mining is YAWN
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1027	Posted - 2013.01.08 15:10:00 - [4] - Quote Roime wrote: Who flies in wecanhavenicetoys-space without +3 scrams? +1 So I always forget does the scram need to match or exceed the WCS? So does a default venture with its plus 2 need 3 points of scram to hold down or just 2?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1027	Posted - 2013.01.08 15:22:00 - [5] - Quote Roime wrote: Exceed, one stab invulnerabilitizises your from the sissy point. Thus one vanilla manpoint is not enough to stop the mighty Venture -> river of tears. I knew there was a reason I bought those extra True sansha scrams
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1028	Posted - 2013.01.08 16:14:00 - [6] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Matt Ellis wrote: Was there a point to your first post? All i heard was, "I want to be able to kill them easier..." I think it needs them. its too glass to survive a light rain, so it needs some defense. The +2 warp strength is that defense. You just have to THINK about how you attack, rather than just, "WARP AND POINT FTW!" Think of it as adapting your play style. Then try reading again because all i was asking is if all the abilities are necessary... Only 3 people in here have answered that question so far. If you use a 3 point scram all you are doing is "WARP AND POINT FTW!" so i'm not quite sure what you are talking about. I think if a pilot is skilled enough to scan down a frigate without being seen then they deserve that kill and shouldn't have to worry about overcompensating with 4 points. But whatever, in all honesty i don't even waist my time trying to kill ventures and it's a shame that all a lot of people want to do is mine gas instead of pvp Oh the tears. CCP seemed to think all the abilities are necessary. And DESERVE? Seriously? I don't care if you have a maxed out, virtue wearing prober. You don't deserve **** until the KM is on your character sheet. Oh and you are looking for waste. Waist is the thing my belt goes around to hold up my pants. That is if I ever wore pants.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1028	Posted - 2013.01.08 16:34:00 - [7] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Oh the tears. CCP seemed to think all the abilities are necessary. And DESERVE? Seriously? I don't care if you have a maxed out, virtue wearing prober. You don't deserve **** until the KM is on your character sheet. Oh and you are looking for waste. Waist is the thing my belt goes around to hold up my pants. That is if I ever wore pants. Great, you're proof reading forum posts now... How fun-filled your days must be... Stop trolling and answer the original inferred question... Do they need all the abilities they have? It was boring until your thread came along. I don't have an issue with the current setup of the venture. Given that you can get it to almost 3 sec align time, even without the WCS plenty will get away. And it isn't trolling. It is calling you out on your whiny, elitist, entitled attitude.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1028	Posted - 2013.01.08 16:42:00 - [8] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: I don't have an issue with the current setup of the venture. Given that you can get it to almost 3 sec align time, even without the WCS plenty will get away. And it isn't trolling. It is calling you out on your whiny, elitist, entitled attitude. So let me get this straight... When you finally get around to comment on the intended subject, you actually agree with me that the Venture doesn't need so many bonuses to be a good miner?! ... what a grade a tard Blocked The butthurt is strong with this one. No I'm saying you probably couldnt catch one even without the WCS bonus. My first block. I feel so special.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1028	Posted - 2013.01.08 17:17:00 - [9] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: I can't really argue there. I just hate the little *******. i know corps that have choose to gas mine instead of shooting sleepers because it's "easier". Now what am i to do with all my t3's? Hey I know I'm blocked, but if you ever see me gas mining (it happens occasionally when bored enough) just say hi and I promise I'll reship into something worth shooting at.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1049	Posted - 2013.01.15 01:57:00 - [10] - Quote Kalel Nimrott wrote: I can`t kill it. Nerf it. Tired of that argument. If I were to go by that argument I'd have to say nerf everything!

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